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There Is Much More to Cyber Security Act Bill Than Emergency Presidential Control of Internet

Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:40 PM EDT
politics, obama, senator-rockefeller, obama-internet, cyber-security-act, emergency-control, cybersecruity-bill, larry-clinton
By Lars Hindsley

Now what happened in Lord of the Rings?

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It's become a big news item. A bill brought forth by the Obama administration that was meant to slide by under the radar has now got everybody's attention and concern. Everybody. Why, because everybody uses the Internet and a new bill by the administration and revised by Senator Jay Rockefeller (Democrat) of West Virginia. It would give the President control of the Internet in emergencies. The irony is this act was conceived to protect our civil liberties.

There are two important questions to ask here.

One. What is an emergency? It's a relative statement. There needs to be definitions of what constitutes an emergency. And would any unrelated emergency provide a side door opening for the President to abuse this power? Perhaps Obama won't abuse that power, but what of the next President? Not all Presidents are the same.

The second question is big big one ...Do we want any president to have this power? Look at China. Look how they control the Internet. Do we want that in the US?

Before you weigh in on political points of view consider the following.

The Internet is decentralized management at its best. Everyone chips in with resources to run it. That is why one Internet provider can go down and the Internet is still there. In addition, you can't put the Internet in one location to control; no one entity has enough resources to manage it, not Google, not Microsoft. Nobody. This is why the Internet is de-centralized. If the bill passes, fundamental changes to the Internet connectivity across US borders would need to take place. Those would be vast and the expense enormous. All this would need to take place so that if and when the time comes for the President to "control" the Internet, he can then flick the switch so-to-speak. The bill as it is now has no clear intent or details. Imagine the control that ambiguity can do for someone in terms of power.

This is not just a writer's point of few. The scenario delineated above and vagueness of the bill is a fact for you to consider in your own day-to-day life (and pocketbook). Since the Cybersecurity Bill's inception in 2009 Internet experts have weighed in, Leslie Harris is CEO of the Center for Democracy and Technology. She carefully stated, "The cybersecurity threat is real, but such a drastic federal intervention in private communications technology and networks could harm both security and privacy."

In this newest bill incarnation Larry Clinton, president of The Internet Security Alliance agrees. He represents your big Internet providers and players such as Verizon and VeriSign comments on both points in the following, "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."

Clinton is no savior to the common man either. He goes on to say that the Internet Security Alliance is "supportive of increased federal involvement to enhance cyber security, but we believe that the wrong approach, as embodied in this bill as introduced, will be counterproductive both from an national economic and national security perspective."

For instance, under this bill the government could seize your home computer and send it off to a Guantanamo type purgatory. A business can be restricted as to who they can hire and more. It's vast and coupled with the President gaining emergency control of the Internet it has all the trappings of the same big brother mentality China employs ...and exercises!

What is the point of the bill? Rockefeller outlines that bill will help in times of Internet crises. You know ...so it won't go down or suffer disruptions. As I pointed out above, the Internet is hundreds of thousands connected networks. You can't take them all out at the same time. The only way to disrupt the Internet is to take out the providers of the Internet. Fortunately the Internet still has many different types of providers from Telco and cable to satellite. The more there are the better off you and I are in terms of suffering a disruption.

So what does the government want? To control the infrastructure of the Internet or the computers on it? Again, it's vague and that affects you big time. What's not vague is putting the President in control. At least that much is made clear.

All this makes the point that our government may think they have a grasp on understanding the Internet because they want to control it. Sooner or later they'll figure it out. The fact is out government receives failing grades on operating its own networks!

Rockefeller whom chairs the Senate Commerce committee helped bring about the position of Cyber security Coordinator in an effort to better protect our country from cyber threats towards our utilities such as water and electricity along with banks and electronic health records. Since its inception in May of 2009, in three months the post is still vacant. Our "comprehensive national cyber security strategy" is being run by no one. So why is this bill even on the table now?

Either way, we are facing an important question. Do we want the government or even worse, one man in control of the Internet? Giving one man unprecedented control over an Internet kill switch isn't like having control of 'The Bomb' but it opens up Pandora's box in vast directions including privacy.

The bill itself has really not changed since it was first introduced. It's gone from not letting on what its real intent was to clearly stating what it wants and that is putting the President in control of the Internet. While any modification to the bill should be looked at by all US citizens closely now - the hot topic now is the one with the most impact. Do we want to put any President in control of the Internet?

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Lars Hindsley

Define "a good reason". The problem with all of it is relative attributes and not specific or standards.

Which are you defending the bill, the President having the option, or both?

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Reply#2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:43 PM EDT
Erik the Read

We know about the great cyber attack on Estonia. It was huge. Of course this set people thinking. What were they thinking? I think they were thinking: "We have an excuse now." We need web security and we can point at Estonia. Not so fast, I say. That great cyber attack was repelled even though there was no defenses in place, no law, no resolute president taking the wheel. The web can protect itself without the help of this legislation.

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Reply#3 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:19 PM EDT
GA GUY

The Internet, just as your identities while utilizing it, is already controlled.

Satellites, Cable, Fiber-optics, etc.; all must pass through government controlled and monitored trunk stations to get to you. Right Now!

The government did not make any big nationwide expenditures to implement GWB's Patriot Act....what makes anyone think they need to do so now. The "networks" are already in place and monitored; Uncle Sam is just going on record as claiming the right to shut them down whenever the government deems it necessary...

We are farther along the path than many seem to realize....

Shutdowns do not have to be any physical "cutting of the cable", they just have to be sanctioned by our Representatives in Washington.

...better be sure your Representatives know where you stand...

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:56 PM EDT
Lars Hindsley

I think you think you are right. If the Government had the control you speak of, then pedophiles would be caught in an instant they search or view a site. The technology is there, the actual control and plan is not yet instituted.

We give the US Government too much credit for being wise. 911 taught common Americans how inept our Government is and how overburdened law enforcement is.

Your concept of controlled is not the same as what is implied. The Internet is connected computers on a decentralized network. You can't control that. You can only cut it off at certain points. To truly control it you need to be the point of access or control the connectivity. So there are two ways to control it which have yet to be done. One is through DNS which is highly flawed and currently does get spoofed and the second way is through raw access, meaning the physical wires. The main trunk lines can be disconnected but that literally shuts it down. That's not going to happen.

    #4.1 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:24 AM EDT
    GA GUY

    I hear you; but I already know that you underestimate your government.

    Having (government) control of something doesn't mean they are wise with that control, which to me, is the main concern.

    We live in an age where it is generally well known that your cell phone can be used to spy on you directly (even when just "on" but not in use). It boggles my mind that folks do not realize their computers generally use the same type circuitry and local control methodologies; but that is tangential to your general point.

    The government is not asking for the capability (they already have it) to "cut off" the Internet. They do not have to "cut it off"; just redirect traffic using the very web addresses you use as the basis for communication around the web. Stopping almost everything from going to China for instance; is as simple now as writing a code that requires all traffic from a US origin to have an additional key coding in order to reach the Chinese system. (China already does this on a regular basis; just ask any businessman traveling there).

    What our government is attempting to do, is to have the congressional sanction approved to then apply tactical defensive programs to "denial of service attacks" and other types of offensive cyber attacks (such as targeted brute force hacks). These are things that can be recognized by traffic analytics programs already in place. In other words, they want to be able to use government controlled programs to fortify our national Internet system against attacks.

    As to the internet pedophiles, many are caught that way; but I am not saying that the government has the ability to monitor every message..., but they do have the ability to snag any message they so designate. Our only protection left is in the sheer numbers of Internet users, and the limited government resources and facilities.

    They can already do what they are asking for; they are just moving for the legislative sanction to implement it.

      #4.2 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:53 AM EDT
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      mike-330799

      Democrats can't sleep at night while even one thing lies outside the authority and responsibility of the government to manage. Compulsive meddlers!

      • 2 votes
      Reply#5 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:06 PM EDT
      GA GUY

      It will be interesting to see how the partisan voting stacks up on this one...

      • 2 votes
      Reply#6 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:17 PM EDT
      Charles-1051365

      Our constitutional rights are slowly being dissolved by a President who's sole purpose is for this Government's intervention into the workings of big business re: Financial Institutions, Auto Industry, Health Care and now government controll of the Internet.

      Earlier this year Obama stated " our Constitution is out dated and needs to be revised ". Excuse me! For about 240 years the citizens of this country have lived under the same Constitutional laws and no President in history has complained about it but him.

      If you don't like the tune of the Internet, too bad, live with it ! It's known as Freedom of Speach, and Freedom of Assembly. Try and change it, in the end, you will loose!

      • 2 votes
      Reply#7 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:22 PM EDT
      GA GUY

      heh,

      You are gonna need to source that statement...if you can.

      • 2 votes
      #7.1 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:21 PM EDT
      Erik the Read

      our Constitution is out dated and needs to be revised

      Of course this is true. The liberal media is saying that the conservative media is saying that the liberal media is saying that our Constitution is outdated and needs to be revised. Furthermore, Senator Feingold said the same thing the 7th of January 2008. He was talking of the Kenyan constitutution, but we all know what he really meant. Now, don't we?

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      #7.2 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:19 PM EDT
      GA GUY

      Source?

        #7.3 - Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:56 AM EDT
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        ilmor

        A good article, but there are three things the author missed or could have elaborated on more;

        First, the internet is a great example of our rights to freedom of speech, therefore, to control and seize the internet would be a direct attack on those rights. 

        Secondly, the Obama administration appears from this and all its other actions to date to be increasing the size and intrusion of government to unprecidented levels, which in itself is a huge concern.  We need smaller, not bigger, government.

        Lastly, what would the cost of such a program be?  Even if it made sense to do so, which it absolutely does not, in our current economic situation including the $9 TRILLION deficit that the Obama administration has created we can certainly not afford another penny of cost.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#8 - Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:40 AM EDT
        Lars Hindsley

        ilmor, thanks but I left those issues to you and others to discuss. I didn't want to write a political article in terms of blue verses red. I wanted to point out there is much more to the bill than what the 'hot topic' is.

        As for the hot topic of Presidential control, I outlined the concerns that most are not aware of. I work in the Internet day in and out as a web services provider. I've dealt with domains, dns, and connectivity for 10 years. It's one hell of a mountain to control. I laugh at the fact the way the Internet is constructed and administered today, any government intervention will really blow up in it's face.

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        #8.1 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:29 AM EDT
        Charles-1051365

        Ilmor, don't you have a feeling that Obama has no sense of monitary value on the programs he wants to institute, after all, he won't be paying for it we the tax payer will.

          #8.2 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT
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